Motoring journalist wishes bikers break their necks

In an unfortunate incident of road rage yesterday, A biker was shot and killed in Honeydew, Johannesburg South Africa. Although I will not comment on the incident myself as I don’t have enough information around the circumstances, I will however comment on a rather intellectually challenged individual named Thegandra Naidoo. https://www.facebook.com/thegandra.naidoo?fref=ts

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Thegandra Naidoo is a motoring journalist here in South Africa who works for a magazine called ABR automotive business review and a web based radio program called BizRadio and this is what he had to say about the road rage incident that cost the life of a motorcyclist:

‘I don’t blame the guy that shot the motorcyclist. They are obnoxious and arrogant. I cannot wait for my day to come when I will open my door and a motorcyclist will fly off his bike and hopefully break his neck!’ 

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Now Mr Thegandra, firstly you have to be a bit thick in the head to make generalizations such as that. Secondly, you are wishing for motorcyclists to break their necks, yet you are a motoring journalist? Wow. You claim to have started your motoring journalism career as a motorsport photographer. Did you by any chance take pictures of professional motorcycle racing? If you did photograph motorcycles maybe you would have seen the talent that the riders have, not to mention the bravery. Maybe you would admire the machinery and come to understand why millions of people around the world purchase motorcycles. Are we ALL obnoxious? Is Valentino Rossi obnoxious? The Harley owners group? The Doctor and father of 3 admiring South Africa’s countryside on his GS? No I think the only person who is obnoxious and arrogant here is you my friend.

I would have expected comments like yours to arise on the internet from some 155kg troll who lives in his moms basement and stuffs down Doritos all day long. But these comments have come from someone who is a ‘motoring journalist’? I am shocked, and I am not the only one as can be seen on various social networks such as Ignition TV’s Facebook page.

We could get really nasty here but listen up… You can apologize to the family of the deceased and retract your small-minded comments, or you can carry on living your pathetic hate-filled life. I think I am safe in saying you have deeply offended the biking community, and that is one community I would not want to offend.

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I am only getting started here so let me just take a break and give you a chance to respond then we can move forward from there.

Tick Tock Thegandra, we are waiting to hear what you have to say…

If you would like to raise your concerns on this issue we recommend contacting the publication for which he works for, or contacting the South African Guild of motoring journalists (SAGMJ).

Update

Thegandra Naidoo’s letter of apology received today (16/02/2014):

‘Dear bikers,

In light of my insensitive comments made about bikers, I wish to apologise to all motorcycle owners in South Africa.

My comments were unwarranted and I did not consider that a large number of people commute on motorcycles and motorists, too, pose a threat to their livelihood on a daily basis.

I understand that all bikers are infuriated at my Facebook post. Rightfully so, they have every reason to do so. While we cannot change what has been done, I publicly apologise to everyone that I have offended.

I have already posted an apology note on my Facebook and Twitter and I will continue to do so via the various websites, forums and channels.

I am hoping we can resolve this matter amicably and bring the matter to closure. I also do sympathise with the family who lost their loved one in the shooting along Malibongwe Drive. May his soul rest in peace.

If any biker wants to contact me, they are welcome to send me an email –thegandra@worxgroup.co.za or via telephone – 071 867 8141.

Regards,

Thegandra Naidoo’

Update

Automotive Business Review statement received (17/02/2014):

It was with deep shock and regret that I discovered that one of our editors, Thegandra Naidoo, had made intemperate comments on his Facebook page. Whilst these comments were made after office hours and by Mr Naidoo in his personal capacity, and apparently in the heat of the moment, I simply cannot condone such behaviour and Mr Naidoo has been placed on leave of absence, with immediate notice.

I shall be conducting a full investigation into this incident, and hope to come to a decision about Mr Naidoo’s future participation in Automotive Business Review (aBr) within a couple of days. I wish to make this decision in the cold light of day, rather than from my current emotional perspective, because I myself have a daughter and son-in-law who are bikers.

In the interim, I wish to apologise unreservedly to the family of Mr Pearce, a husband, a son, and a father who was needlessly killed in a road rage incident; the entire biking community of South Africa; the South African Guild of Motoring Journalists; our valued clients and customers and members of the public.

I also wish to make it quite clear that Automotive Business Review, and its entire staff complement, distance ourselves entirely and without reserve from the comments made by Mr Naidoo. aBr finds his comments repulsive, unprofessional, and extremely distressing. It is a clear sign of emotional immaturity, which shall be taken into consideration when considering Mr Naidoo’s future. The team at aBr wish to express our sincerest regret at the situation, and we shall endeavour to find ways to atone for the sins of Mr Naidoo.

Yours sincerely,

Graham Erasmus

Publisher, Automotive Business Review

Monday 17 February 2014

09h00

Update

Automotive Business Review statement recieved (18/02/2014):

Yesterday I announced that I would come to decision about Mr Thegandra Naidoo’s future at Automotive Business Review (aBr). After a day of reflection and consultation, and further investigation into the events around a most unfortunate and acrimonious exchange of views on social media, a decision has been taken.

Mr Naidoo has today, with immediate effect, left the employ of aBr. The decision was taken in the cold light of day, and many factors had to be considered in taking this decision, not least of which were the many death threats received, but of course the key determination was based on the unacceptable nature of the comments made, irrespective of the circumstances, of which I shall expand on in an editorial to be published in the next issue of aBr.

I wish to once again apologise unreservedly to the family of Mr Pearce; the entire biking community of South Africa; the South African Guild of Motoring Journalists; our valued clients and customers and members of the public.

I also wish to reiterate that aBr and its staff distance ourselves entirely and without reserve from the comments made by Mr Naidoo, and that we, notwithstanding that Mr Naidoo has now left our employ, are investigating opportunities to make something good out of a terrible set of circumstances, and to show our goodwill towards all motorists.

Yours sincerely,

Graham Erasmus

Publisher, Automotive Business Review

Tuesday 18 February 2014

08h30

Update

SAGMJ update received (21/02/2014):

In light of the extraordinary response to recent comments made by Mr. Thegandra Naidoo, it was decided at the most recent meeting of the Guild Committee to temporarily suspend Mr. Naidoo’s membership to the South African Guild of Motoring Journalists, pending the outcome of a disciplinary process as prescribed by the SAGMJ constitution. The temporary suspension commences with immediate effect.

Issued by the SA Guild of Motoring Journalists

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242 thoughts on “Motoring journalist wishes bikers break their necks

  1. Randi Leimbach says:

    To whom it may concern, I was looking over my friend’s page, YES he is from Africa…. when I came across a short article about a biker that was shot & killed for no apparent reason. When I got to the second part of the story I was not only shocked but appalled at the statement made by a person that calls himself Thegandra Naidoo! His statement goes straight to the heart of every biker I know. In this bullshit statement & I believe this should be considered premeditated murder!!! Because that’s exactly what this animal is saying he’s going to do when given half a chance!!! Why any one would make such an asinine statement to the public especially holding a position at the at the Motoring Guild of Africa. I want nothing more than to see this fool charged with intent & premeditated killing of another human being. If this monster is allowed to carry out his wishes how many of us bikers go down & yet that there are others just like this fool out there that are now being encouraged to do the same thing. It’s like shooting fish in a barrel for we can not stop fast enough to avoid hitting a car door that was deliberately opened in hopes that we hit it & break our necks!!! IF nothing else Thegandra Naidoo should be removed immediately from any position dealing in any kind of mode of transportation. We are bikers yes but we are HUMAN BEINGS with children & family & friends that we love & that love us. WE Bikers do so much more good than a lot of people know, give us credit for.ACTUALLY HAVING BRAINS ENOUGH NOT TO MAKE THAT KIND OF STUPID STATEMENT I am asking every BIKER & non Bikers too anywhere in the world to please sign on & help get rid this nut. Sincerely Yours, Randi Leimbach USA

  2. Paul Blinaux says:

    On my part, I want to close today with this thought…….As much as many of us would like to see Thegandra Naidoo get a bloody good thrashing, which “unfortunately” I believe is coming his way regardless, as he has seriously pissed off a lot of Bikers, not only in South Africa, but worldwide….but some Biker will inevitably give him a hiding, if the opportunity presents itself…..I believe this will not be the road to go down!

    And not for one second am I condoning Naaidoo’s statements or attitude….I have expressed my clear intentions throughout the day, on this site and other relevant bodies, as to what I believe should take place with Thegandra Naaidoo

    I said “unfortunately”, because ‘klapping’ the shit out of Naidoo….is going to play right into the hands of all the ‘Mother Grundies’ who are permanently Anti-Bikers and looking for any given opportunity to latch onto!! This is what they ‘The Mother Grundies’ and the Media will latch onto with a vengeance…..’cause all it will be is another Head Line of the day …………”BIKER BEATS UP THEGANDRA NAAIDOO!!”

    Bodies like the SAGMJ need to issue serious punitive measures against Naaidoo, he needs to be shunned by his fellow Motoring Journalists, he needs to be banned from Motorsport venues, he certainly can never write any further journalistic articles for the Biking fraternity….in short, Thegandra Naaidoo must be prevented from putting himself in harms way…….by being removed entirely from any possibility of coming into contact with the Biking fraternity …..and thereby, in the long term, not give any Biker the opportunity to portray Bikers in South Africa in a bad light to the Motoring public!!

  3. Ian Duncan says:

    Mr Naidoo, let me tell you something for nothing. You can apologize to whoever you want to , it won’t make much difference now. What’s been said has been said. I just hope you’ve got good all round insurance, because while a good few of my fellow biking family will forgive you and let this one slide, the other half I’m not to sure about. So if I were you,” be afraid be very afraid, because you’ve managed to piss off the wrong family. May GOD have mercy on your soul!

  4. Menette says:

    We all get angry and make mistakes and say things we do not mean we are all human.
    That being said what he did say was wrong and could have kept his thoughts to him self.
    We get angry and upset and you cant tell me that not ones have you n the road not e]thought wrong of some one that has done something wrong or did wrong to you.
    Ive seen a biker get of his bike in wit bank and hit someone with his helmet, but the guy in the car was trying to push the biker off the road….
    So really forgive the guy he is only human.

    And threatening him is also not right, just like what he said!!!

    1. Daleen says:

      oh please!!!! he most definitely MEANT what he said!!!!! You can tell by the tone he meant it & probably did or will do it!!!

  5. Neville says:

    Hi I have a bike myself and sadly I was in an accident where a car pulled out in front of me on a busy road is peak hour traffic and I could not stop in time and I was not going fast and was given the go ahead by another motorist Mr. Labuschagne to go in front of him and when I looked in front the Toyota corolla was right there and there was no time for me to stop and I hit the Toyota at the back on the right. my bike in no longer in a running contrition and I do not have the money to repair it myself and I don’t have insurance either which is my own fault but riding into the Toyota was not my fault but the drivers fault. the insurance company is still calling me to pay for the miner damages on the Toyota but my bike is totalled. what now?????? I am still grateful to Mr Labuschange and his family who stopped to assist me till that ambulance arrived at the sense. I am a loving caring person with 3 little girls who I love with all my heart. I love helping people in need and it makes me feel AWESOME an I will continue doing so. I have respect for the road and every person using the road you can be in a car on a bike or even walking I still have respect. all bikers I know are awesome people and always willing to help others… now why the hate Mr. Naidoo ????? you a fool and I feel you care about nothing except yourself and I would like to know how you can even live with yourself. anyway I will not harm a hair on your body as that is not who I am. I just hope I don’t ever ride my bike near you cause you already wished me dead and I have a lot to live for. I still want to see all three my girls get married and one day sit on my stoop and say “yip I lived my life” near you that will not be possible

    Regards

    Neville (Proudly Biker)

  6. Andy Qtn says:

    Just a quick question-(obviously not part of this discussion-but have always wanted to ask this question) what of the frustrated public who have to listen to the baffleless exhaust of some bikers-even at 3 oclock in the morning? I love the sound of a normal bike and it travels just as fast-or am I missing something here (I’m not a biker-seen/heard of too many friends killed and maimed

  7. John says:

    Gavin you failed to understand my statements. I apologize to you for being sluggish.
    .We need to create peace and forgivenes in this country thanks Paul for reiterating the perpertrator. thanks for using my words Gav #Endofconversation.

  8. Colin hein says:

    For his own safety I hope he doesn’t go through with his idea to attend and ‘support’ the BAT run on 22 Feb! I certainly would have a few things to say to him if I ever came face to face with him.

    1. Anton du Plessis says:

      I doubt it, he’s probably hiding in some dark hole. Given the fact that this little scum has deleted his twitter and facebook accounts and avoiding his email and phone.

  9. Tracy Todd says:

    I am paralysed from the neck down. Anybody who wishes a life like that on anyone, obviously has no idea what it really means to live in this way. I wish that Mr Naidoo could have just 24 hours in my world. I guarantee that he will never make a statement like that again. It should also cure him of his arrogance and meanness, for good.

  10. Paul Blinaux says:

    I was reading through Wheels 24 and sadly the reaction that Thegandra Naidoo perhaps set out subconsciously to plant in Anti-Bikers minds is exactly what one Colin Traumatizer Zungu – posted on February 17, 2014 at 14:43 Zunga states the following: ……..”Well done Naidoo! Why apologise for for freedom of speech that we fought so hard for? Bikers do not own the road and I have been in a similar situation with a group of them in Richards Bay. If I had a gun I would have shot, let me say it again, I would have shot all of them dead.The road is ours to use not a certain bunch of people who think they above everything on earth. If it happens again I shall do what Naidoo said. Very good Naidoo!!”

    Now it’s idiots like Zunga and a Jan van Niekerk also posting unacceptable ‘Anti-Biker’ speech on Wheels24 are who Bikers need to fear….these are the gullible sheep….who now think because of Naidoo posting his comment as a ‘Motoring Journalist’….it’s acceptable and cool!!

    Let’s not for one second not be aware of the fact that there are a lot more drivers out there with exactly the same sentiments as Naidoo, Zunga and van Niekerk.

    Now is the time for Bikers to say ‘thanx’ to a driver who let you through, now is the time to give a nod or a smile to drivers at the traffic light, now is the time to let motorists into the traffic…..now is the time to show that as Bikers we do have a ‘good’ side….yes we all know it…..but let’s show it!!

    1. Colin Hein says:

      So according to Zungu, it will be OK for me to say that all Mini-bus Taxi drivers are a bunch of uneducated Monkeys! (and I am still being VERY polite here)

    2. Biker says:

      Sorry Paul, I just read your post, and although I try very hard to “do the right thing”… the fact that you think bikers need to take the first step, and prove how good we are, is mute. As bikers we are exposed to the elements, our very lives are on the line because we have no safety belts, we have no airbags, we have no shell protecting us even from the smallest crash. This is our choice yes, but, its our right to choose, and now we must bow before the might of the disgruntled motorist? My personal feeling is that motorists are “anti-bikers” because they sit in hours of traffic, and get uptight, because taxis are pushing in, other motorists are pushing in, etc etc etc, and then they are venting because the biker rides by, calm and hardly without pause.

      In response to your “we need to show our good side”, I say, our good side is ever present, and this regrettably will turn to more violence, unless the motorist starts to change their attitude toward bikers.

      I also see alot of people complaining about loud and noisy bikers………….. Fuck.. have you never heard a loud and noisy car, let alone a smoking car, sitting in traffic?

      I think that the motor industry needs to maybe take this up as a new project to educate motorists and bikers. I still cannot fathom why a biker and motorist would have an altercation, unless the motorist instigates it, by purposely antagonising the biker (cutting him off, etc). A biker will never (I believe) target a car, and decide, “I am going to soek kak with this car just sommer”.

      The ball is in the court of the motorist, and I want to end by saying, regrettably, their attitude toward bikers wont change, until the roads, the congestion, the law changes.

      Heres hoping.

    3. Randi Leimbach says:

      I just had the chance to sit down & read your statement on Naidoo, Zunga& van Niekerk. Yes I agree with all you said & then some. There are a certain amount of bikers in the biker nation that are not polite & as it is Shame on them!! Bravo for speaking your mind. Sincerely Randi Leimbach

  11. Paul Blinaux says:

    This release was posted by this morning by ABR (Automotive Business Review):

    “…….Yesterday I announced that I would come to decision about Mr Thegandra Naidoo’s future at Automotive Business Review (aBr). After a day of reflection and consultation, and further investigation into the events around a most unfortunate and acrimonious exchange of views on social media, a decision has been taken.

    Mr Naidoo has today, with immediate effect, left the employ of aBr. The decision was taken in the cold light of day, and many factors had to be considered in taking this decision, not least of which were the many death threats received, but of course the key determination was based on the unacceptable nature of the comments made, irrespective of the circumstances, of which I shall expand on in an editorial to be published in the next issue of aBr.

    I wish to once again apologise unreservedly to the family of Mr Pearce; the entire biking community of South Africa; the South African Guild of Motoring Journalists; our valued clients and customers and members of the public.

    I also wish to reiterate that aBr and its staff distance ourselves entirely and without reserve from the comments made by Mr Naidoo, and that we, notwithstanding that Mr Naidoo has now left our employ, are investigating opportunities to make something good out of a terrible set of circumstances, and to show our goodwill towards all motorists.

    Yours sincerely, Graham Erasmus Tuesday 18 February 2014 Publisher, Automotive Business Review ”

    Hopefully the Biking and Motoring fraternity of not only South Africa but the world, (as this matter has gone viral) who wait in anticipation to see what decision the SAGMJ will take concerning Thegandra Naidoo….will see Naidoo expelled from ALL interaction whatsoever with Biking and Motorsport and Motor Journalism in South Africa!!

      1. Jean-Robert says:

        It seems Mr Naidoo is loosing his job(s) and colleagues; He might loos some friends and perhaps even his family! Yes I do believe he deserve that but must of all he should loose his attitude and this will probably not happen

    1. Biker says:

      I comment you on the right course of action. I also hope this is only the beginning. The stain this little prick has left will be around long after he is (should be) expelled from every institution that considers him part of the motoring industry and journalism.

    2. Randi Leimbach says:

      Mr Naidoo, You have not only cost yourself a job but in light of where it was you worked & whom you worked for that was most likely the stupidest mistake I’ve seen a so called self proclaimed journalist to say!!! YOU have cost yourself any future of a livelihood in your chosen field. I seriously doubt anyone in your country would be willing to hire you now!! YOU are a damned fool!! Randi Leimbach USA

  12. Norman Sander says:

    Mr Erasmus….Naidoo should have been fired. The fact that he made the comments outside of business hours is academic, he represented your organisation. You have done the right thing.

  13. Glynnis Robertson says:

    Mr. Naidoo, you’re clearly on a suicide mission, I see. Well, if anyone has succeeded in digging their own grave, my friend, it’s you. I hope to God that you’re able 2 correct your very, very stupid mistake, because believe me, nothing that u say, no apology that you give, will be able 2 change the fact that you’ve made it very clear what you really think & if you ask me… YOU ARE THE OBNOXIOUS ONE & I’m actually disgusted in the fact that there are still people walking around with your type of mentality. So no, I wouldn’t say that I hope you don’t run into any bikers my friend, because God knows that I sincerely hope to God that you do.

    1. Barry says:

      Please Bikers, don’t touch this asswipe. ignore him completely! If he is hurt by anyone, who happens to be a biker, the bad press that bikers will get will do us a lot of harm. He isn’t worth you even mentioning his name, let alone expending any energy to klap him. So please, I implore you! Don’t waste another breath or thought on him. We need to show him that we are better than him, which, of course, we are!

  14. Prakash Govender says:

    Trust me, Mr Naidoo will return. I know him personally and he is a clever bloke, much cleverer than most people think. He is a streetwise and, apart from earning a measly motoring journalist salary, he has a creative mind to conceptualise and sell great ideas. This is something that most motoring scribes lack. The comments might stream in, but the reality is, it is unconstitutional to prevent a person from working in a particular industry.

    The motoring fraternity might oust Mr Naidoo but that does not stop him from visiting race tracks, snapping photographs, or reviewing a vehicle via a dealership. There are no laws to prevent him from having a job. Last year, a motoring journalist wrote off a Ferrari. Was she been disciplined and thrown out of the motoring fraternity for bad driving and for destroying a R3.5 million car? No.

    What about those motoring journalists who drink and drive, or those who abuse test vehicles? Motoring journalism lacks credibility, irrespective of the publication. Has the Guild ever dealt with journalists who consume ridiculous amounts of alcohol? Have they dealt with the journalist who got behind the wheel of an R8 and then zapped a woman in traffic? In my opinion, that is unprofessional.

    Motoring journalists are too scared to voice their opinions because it will “offend” OE manufacturers in South Africa. When was the last time you picked up a magazine that criticised a car? These days, bloggers are “motoring journalists”. Some much for calling it a profession!

    I have read the Motoring Guild’s Road Safety press releases and they only make mention of safe driving and better driving conditions for cars. On a positive note, the Guild should learn from this. If they can educate their journalists on the rules that apply to bikers, we wouldn’t have to discuss Mr Naidoo’s unjust comment.

    It’s quite ironic that the people who profess to be peaceful are the same people who are hurling bricks and stones at a man who has apologised. There are some valid points made here, but mostly, hate speech. That’s Hill Billy mentality. This is a modern society where democracy prevails and hoodlum Kloo Klux Klan or apartheid-like behaviour should not be condoned.

    Mr Naidoo, quick note, your employer cannot just fire you. He will see have a serious labour court case on his shoulders. That said, stop making stupid comments publicly. I cannot condone your actions but I can advise you on steps to take. I have your contact details and I will be will be in touch.

    Finally, we know that there’s little news in the media these days and journalists will look for every opportunity to write sensationalise a topic.

    To the editor of Wheels24, I’m sure you waiting for the next “press release” to take a shot at Mr Naidoo. I’m sure you scratching your balls in anticipation for the next big story to kick Mr Naidoo to the ground. As the editor of a so-called leading online platform, you should asked Mr Naidoo for his comment. Stop with the one-sided reporting. Nobody cares what his peers have to say!

    1. Barry says:

      What the “man” said was provocative, offensive and puerile. Bikers have l-o-n-g memories and will not be happy if he ends up with a slap on the wrist. What the media reported on was fact and not fantasy, so don’t point fingers – they were doing the job they are paid for. No motoring publication will consider any input from this little “man”, they can’t afford to lose readership. To wish someone dead because you perceive them to be arrogant is sick….

    2. Colin Hein says:

      You use the term ‘Hate speech” for what the bikers say after being provoked by Mr Naidoo’s comments. What you call his comments on bikers being arrogant and wanting to kill one? Is he an ‘Angel?’ Somehow I doubt it. How do you react when provoked and threatened by someone, do you just pat them on the back and walk away? I believe we all react differently and I really hope no biker causes any harm to that stupid friend of yours!

  15. Prakash Govender says:

    I’m sure you are journalist and believe in objective reporting Barry? Facts are based on hearing two sides to a story. Are you openly admitting that bikers have long memories and will incite violence on Mr Naidoo? You do not need to work for a motoring publication, you can open your own. Nothing stops you from becoming a publisher. A question to you: Have you never wished death on a taxi driver, or a “cager” who cut you off before? Did you politely greet him/her and then ride off? It boils down to the same thing. Nobody is innocent so stop pretending to be an angel.

    1. Barry says:

      No, I am (thankfully) not a journalist, I am a decent human being who has never wished death on another, not even a taxi driver. I may have shown the miscreant a rude sign, but there it ends. And no, I am no angel, but if you read my previous comment, I have implored bikers to leave this asswipe alone. Doing any harm to him will play right into his misguided psyche. As far as balanced reporting is concerned, naidoo is completely off the radar and no journo has been able to get a comment from him. What he posted on Facebook brooks no justification – it is the most virulent piece of hate I have ever had the misfortune to read. If he is your pal, good luck to you, just don’t ever buy a bike – he will take you out,

  16. Prakash Govender says:

    Not contactable? I beg to differ. Mr Naidoo has been contactable since the incident. I have personally chatted to him and he says that he declined to chat to any media outlet. But, he never been contacted by Wheels24. The media outlets that have contacted him have also sent him emails. He has yet received any emails from them. Yes, I have made friends with the man, he has apologised. What more does a person have to say or do?

    1. Barry says:

      OK, this is my last comment on this subject. As you say, I am no angel and I admit to this. But you seem to think that an inflammatory statement that was followed with “you should read my previous comments” is fine and that naidoo is an angel. Good god, he apologised, after all. The reason he apologised is because of the reaction that resulted from his disgusting comments. I would not want to walk within 20 meters of the asswipe as I might feel contaminated by his hatred. You forgive him, ok. I do not. I still maintain that bikers should not even consider hurting him, even though there is no-one I know who is more deserving of a hiding. He has made himself incommunicado by removing himself from Facebook and Twitter. As a matter of fact, I would not be surprised if you are him under a pseudonym, trying to justify the disgusting comments on Facebook. I will not comment further on this subject, so save your vitriol for others.

  17. Prakash Govender says:

    Actually, Mr Naidoo issued an apology before it was purposely blown out of proportion. And no, I am myself, I do hide, you are welcome to look me up on Facebook. Please trace my IP address as well. I am not Mr Naidoo and, neither am I his spokesperson. But, there are many people who have accepted his apology. You small-minded comments are not going to change the situation. I am merely stating the truth which most people don’t understand and, will possibly never understand.

    1. Randi Leimbach says:

      Prakash Govender, Your also damned fool. You just insinuated that the whole of the biker world are to stupid to forgive & forget but that we are also not bright enough to actually understand what has happened here! YOU need to go back & read what the world of bikers are saying about Naidoo, Zunga & now you! How damned foolish of you to come out with such an asinine statement…..Sincerely NOT feeling a bit sorry for any of you so called gentlemen!! Randi Leimbach

  18. Prakash Govender says:

    So, the apology is not good enough, so a bunch of “peaceful” bikers would charge at Mr Naidoo with violence? The irony!

    1. Randi Leimbach says:

      WHY should we accept an apology that truly isn’t sincere??? Obviously he doesn’t mean it or the stupid ass would not have made the 1st stupid ass statement that he did. Let the chips fall where they may for all 3 of you have it coming in spades!!! Randi Leimbach

  19. Prakash Govender says:

    Sasha Martinengo was the only guy who commented in response to Naidoo’s apology. The rest of the comments were made the night before. So, how can they not be convinced with his apology if he hadn’t yet made an apology. Wheels24 posted a load of kak and they need to check their facts.

    1. Cammy says:

      Prakash, someone died last week Friday. How do you tell your 4 year old daughter that her Dad is not coming home anymore because he was shot and killed? Then tell me Naidoo didn’t deserve backlash as a MOTORING JOURNALIST! Stop being so insensitive to what happened.

  20. Paul Blinaux says:

    Prakash Govender……I find it fascinating that at 1:36pm on the 19/02/2014 you posted that you were planning to contact Thegandra Naidoo….and by 4:02pm on the 19/02/2014 he’s now your new best friend…..it’s beyond laughable.

    Your comment about aBR dismissing him with immediate effect…and coming across as this know-all Labour Attorney….is fascicle! It’s blatantly clear you have no knowledge of the Labour Act whatsoever….let alone your dire lack of knowledge of the use of the English language……which is appalling!

    You’re either a blatant liar or have clearly been coached by Thegandra Naaidoo ……your statements jump from knowing Naaidoo personally and speaking of him in the first person to all over the place and in the third person!

    And your arguments submitted and given forward for not penalising Naaidoo versus other Motoring Journalists having punitive measures taken against them for their supposed transgressions are not remotely within the same league…..and as such your comments hold absolutely no water!!

    My advice to you is simple…….don”t imply that you’re Mr Know-all of note…..when it’s abundantly clear that you are not at all offay with the entire conversation that took place….and led up to Thegandra Naaidoo’s exposure on this matter to the SAGMJ and the Media in general!!

  21. Prakash Govender says:

    Is it not possible to contact a person between 1pm and 4pm? I think you need to learn labour practice before rattling off on a public forum. I am not labour broker but I can tell you that Mr Naidoo cannot be fired without a hearing.

    You are not the law, Mr Naidoo isn’t the law and I am not the law. I can have a conversation with a person when I need to and when I want to. I have chatted to Mr Naidoo, he is apologetic. He has also been contactable all the time. I called him once and he answered. He answered twice thereafter.

    Not remotely within the same league? If a Guild member is drunk and driving, should the organisation not penalise him/her for endangering the lives of other road users? Making a statement in anger does not mean a person is going to do it. You cannot make a mistake when you drink and drive. It is a choice you make.

    Drinking and driving is blatant, knocking a person off a bike could be blatant or an accident, but making a statement does not mean it is blatant.

    I trust you have read the entire conversation which led to Mr Naidoo’s comment. Please do so before commenting further. Mr Naidoo made a mistake with his irrational comment but his previous comments on the same post add merit to his case. They were valid and also brought “cagers” to shame. Whether the post is still online, I don’t know. I can look for it and post it here.

    Seeing that you are the spokesperson for this for, maybe you should answer the question on behalf of all bikers. If the apology was not good enough, does it mean that a bunch of “peaceful” bikers should charge at Mr Naidoo with violence? How ironic!

    Finally, I am not coached by anyone, I am an individual and I am entitled to my opinion.

    1. Paul Blinaux says:

      The only person rattling off I’m afraid Prakash Govender….is you!! As the clear and it would seem only spokesman on the part of Thegandra Naaidoo, I wish him well having you as his defence council.

      And before I rest my case with you on this matter….if you had actually taken the trouble to read what I have campaigned on behalf of Bikers in my own personal capacity, pertaining to this matter…..you would have noted that I have NOT been in support of violence being the answer!!

  22. Paul Blinaux says:

    Tomorrow is a week down the line since Thegandra Naaidoo made his despicable comment!!

    The SAGMJ (South African Guild of Motoring Journalists) stated in their press release on the 17/02/2014…..”We would like to assure the motorcycling community that we are in the process of taking the appropriate disciplinary actions, as prescribed by our constitution, to address the matter.”

    Is this a case of the SAGMJ just hoping that if it sits and twiddles it’s thumbs long enough……the Thegandra Naaidoo matter may just die down….and you as the SAGMJ actually won’t have to make any serious punitive decisions, but a mere little slap on the wrist at most?

    It’s become abundantly clear through the many comments posted by numerous individuals, through various media channels…that the SAGMJ is perceived as a mere ‘Toothless’ organisation…..that across the board just blow a lot of hot air and pat themselves on the back at every opportunity!!

    I challenge the the SAGMJ and yourself Christo Valentyn as the representative face of the SAGMJ……prove the Biking fraternity and the Motoring public of South Africa and in fact the world wrong and actually for once…….take a stand that will ensure that NO Motoring Journalist will ever step out of line again!!

  23. Prakash Govender says:

    The Guild can dismiss a member if found guilty of misconduct. But it’s the OE manufacturers to decide if they want to give a car to a named and shamed journalist. You do not need to be a Guild member to be a motoring scribe.

    SANEF receives many complaints about journalists. Not once have they dismissed a journalist as a member for misconduct. Please call SANEF and get some information. It is unconstitutional to do so under the democratic government. Unless, apartheid laws still apply to bikers? SANEF has far more clout than a glorified motoring authority.

    1. Paul Blinaux says:

      Oh please…..after 20 years as a democratic society…..are you one of these pathetic individuals, like the ANC government who immediately throw Apartheid up as a form of defence to justify their argument….you’re an embarrassment!!

  24. Prakash Govender says:

    Wow, my comments have disappeared. Once again, it’s like I have said, apartheid exists for those who still believe in it.

    Bikers exist across the world, in all races and cultures. My comments as well follows:

    It’s quite ironic that the people who profess to be peaceful are the same people who are hurling bricks and stones at a man who has apologised. There are some valid points made here, but mostly, hate speech. That’s Hill Billy mentality. This is a modern society where democracy prevails and hoodlum Kloo Klux Klan or apartheid-like behaviour should not be condoned.

    That is not pulling the race card.

    1. Biker says:

      I dont know why you continue to post irrelevant statements? Its no longer about little prick naidoo, but about race now? Bikers are peaceful, caring, outgoing and calm individuals for the most part (the greater part) but you idiot, you fail to want to understand or see, that a death threat, has been issued, in public. All we want, is that corrective measures be taken against this little prick, to remedy the damage he has done, and potentially the damage he can do if left unchecked in the future. neither little prick naidoo, or you as his spokesman can do that. You apply your dumb logic, to try sway focus of the matter, and now want to make this about race, apartheid and political agendas? Again.. FUCK YOU PRAKASH.. I apologise.

    2. Gawin says:

      I drive a Big Ass Doge Ram V8 and some other lesser cars so I can’t ever be called a biker. If any of you biker guys want to shove a helmet up his ass let me know, I will help hold him down. For anyone to make a statement like he did, his own head must be up his ass.

  25. Prakash Govender says:

    @Colin, everyone is angry due to Mr Naidoo’s statement but then threaten him with death. The irony…hill billy behaviour.

    @Biker, who mentioned race? Are we saying that bikers are only white?

    1. Randi Leimbach says:

      YOU total dumb ass! Why in heavens name would you use Hill Billies as an example of stupidity,ignorance & with no brains? Take a long hard look at what you wrote & when the Hill Billies of every country also predominately non bikers show up at YOUR front door to kick your ass do NOT sit back & wonder why!! Randi Leimbach I WILL BE WAITING FOR YOUR STUPID RESPONSE

  26. Biker says:

    To quote an idiot “Unless, apartheid laws still apply to bikers?”…. by its essence, apartheid was segregation, separating the races. You played the race card. I have no qualms with any race. You are doing a good job of trying to change the subject. Let me once again highlight the problem, for you. Little prick naidoo, issued a death threat, on a public forum, and he is supposed to be a motoring journalist. The bigger problem is that as a journalist, these actions cant be deemed acceptable. I have taken some solace in the fact that at least it wasnt a well known journo like Sasha Martinengo. But I can promise you, had Sasha, said anything like this, the blow back would have been just as hard. But that is the diffirence between unknown wannabe little pricks like naidoo and professionals like Sasha. Now, I and everyone else on this forum has afforded you way more time than necessary. Trying to play down naidoo’s (little prick) statement is futile and hold about as much water as the reason for Rhino poaching (Which somehow I suspect you and naidoo do not find problematic)

    A wise man once told me… “Never argue with a baboon, anyone who is watching will eventually not be able to tell the difference”

    So in closing, and my final statement to you.. FUCK YOU PRAKASH .. I apologise.

  27. Paul Blinaux says:

    Well well….Thegandra Naidoo has a fan club of 2 now…….Vivian Dickson a male Freelance Writer who posted this on News24 on the 19 February 2014 at 09:53 and Prakesh Govender….his official voice on JoziRides.

    “Bikers! Get off our roads!”…..Posted at 09:53 19/02/2014 on News24 by Vivian Dickson.

    “………..The biggest bane of SA’s roads aren’t speeding taxis, or drunk pedestrians. Heck, it’s not even Sanral! The scourge of our roads are these bloody bikers!

    And I’m not just talking speed freaks on Japanese bikes who swerve in and out of peak hour traffic with one hand on the handlebar and one finger saluting those of us left in the dust.
    All bikers of all shapes , sizes and ages are to blame. Fatties on hogs – Easy Rider wannabes who are still living in the 70’s and probably with their mommies. Skinny IT consultants or investment bankers who get paid too much for doing very little and then fancy themselves super bike racers in the hope of one day looking cool (and don’t even get me started with toddlers on tricycles who disrupt afternoon traffic when I’m driving home through my neighbourhood).

    Why is it that every time some cocky biker gets what is coming to him, there’s mass outcry from these biker gangs and pesky road rats about how the biking community is so right and how everyone else is so wrong?
    For some reason these arrogant bikers on our roads are under the delusion that they actually OWN our roads! Says who?

    Roads are made for cars, trucks, buses – the main modes of labour force transport on our highways.
    Pedestrians have to walk on pavements and side walks – designated footpaths for their unemployed feet. Even trains are confined to railway lines, where they belong!

    So why is it that we allow bikes on our roads? Let’s face it, our roads and our lives, have become infested with this biking scourge.

    And if motorcycles weren’t bad enough, then what about these groups of Sunday morning cyclists in skin-tight girls clothes that glow in the dark? If they aren’t riding 2 or 3 across, blocking the lanes from valid road users, they’re skipping stop signs and red robots and putting society at risk with their utter arrogance!
    I have no time for the collective ‘bike rider’.

    So I say it again: Bikers! Get off our roads!…….”

    Vivian Dickson and Prakash Govender …….Two nebulous pathetic cowardly creatures trying to make a name for themselves through wishing death on Bikers!!

    1. Colin Hein says:

      WOW!!! What an outburst by Mr Dickson! I can’t help but notice that he did not mention Cyclists, they also wear tight and very bright ‘Girlie outfits’, ride three or four wide, roads get closed for Tours etc. Maybe he rides a bicycle and can’t handle the power of a Motorbike.
      Wonder if he considered that Post gets delivered on Motorbikes, Chemist do deliveries on Motorbikes, in fact many different business use Motorbikes for deliveries or transporting things. Have Mr Dickson, Mr Govender or Mr Naidoo ever made use of Debonairs or Mr Delivery to have food delivered to them? They deliver it on, wait for it………..MOTORBIKES!!!!!!
      We could go on and on to justify our own point of view and think we are right. Maybe if we all just stick to the rules of the road we could get along and avoid things like this.
      In all societies, groups of people, organisations you will find ‘Rotten apples’, I don’t deny there are bad bikers out there, but don’t discriminate against us all. It just seems there is and always has been a bad stigma around people who ride bikes, not always justified…..
      Maybe these people are just making these comments to feel important and there 15 minutes of fame…….

  28. Biker says:

    “Roads are made for cars, trucks, buses”… said who moron? This is exactly the problem little pricks statement is going to cause, the worms will start crawling out the woodwork, because little prick has yet to receive punishment, to deter other mental idiots from believing they have possession and sole right to road use. I Drive a car as well as bike, and I cede my rights as a car driver to myself as a bike rider when I ride bike. All I can say is, it is going to take arseholes like this to start a war, that the majority of car and bike riders do not want to be in the middle of when the shit starts. And I want to see the smug look on that new little pricks face when he is confronted by a… what was it…….. “Fatties on hogs – Easy Rider wannabes who are still living in the 70′s and probably with their mommies. Skinny IT consultants or investment bankers”… FUCK YOU VIVIAN DICK..son , I apologise.

    1. Gavin Forman says:

      I agree cause he the F-heads are hiding under, not behind their f-head mommy’s skirt. I was a biker, and drive a car, this dick head wants to start a war, he has it, I will die for bikers RIGHTS, dick heads can’t even ride a bicycle never mind a motorcycle. That’s why they insults them as well, probably fell off 1 one of those plastic bikes when he was a kid and bumped their heads, not that there was a brain to damage was born an aRSEHOLE. Their fathers was probably gay, no offense, And they never got to grow up, they have shit for brains.
      Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

  29. Deon vd Merwe (@DeonTog) says:

    Posted by South African Guild of Motoring Journalists (SAGMJ) on their FB Page
    21 February 2014

    In light of the extraordinary response to recent comments made by Mr. Thegandra Naidoo, it was decided at the most recent meeting of the Guild Committee to temporarily suspend Mr. Naidoo’s membership to the South African Guild of Motoring Journalists, pending the outcome of a disciplinary process as prescribed by the SAGMJ constitution. The temporary suspension commences with immediate effect.

    1. Paul Blinaux says:

      ….Well it’s a start!!

      In the interest of Thegandra Naidoos future health……..it would appear that it would be advisable to ensure that he is removed permanently from the Biking and Motoring Environment…….or have serious plastic surgery!!

  30. Paul Blinaux says:

    “….So here we are with more than a month having passed since Thegandra Naidoo seriously pissed off the Biking and Motoring fraternity both locally in South Africa and Internationally!

    And as I predicted the SAGMJ have still done absolutely nothing….except to paste the below two comments concerning Thegandra Naidoo.

    1. “The SAGMJ stated in their press release on the 17/02/2014…..’We would like to assure the motorcycling community that we are in the process of taking the appropriate disciplinary actions, as prescribed by our constitution, to address the matter.’ ”

    and……

    2. ‘In light of the extraordinary response to recent comments made by Mr. Thegandra Naidoo, it was decided at the most recent meeting of the Guild Committee to temporarily suspend Mr. Naidoo’s membership to the South African Guild of Motoring Journalists, pending the outcome of a disciplinary process as prescribed by the SAGMJ constitution. The temporary suspension commences with immediate effect.’

    It’s actually sad that as stated and commented on by numerous Motoring Journalists……..that the SAGMJ would just be a mere ‘Toothless Tiger’ yet again, who don’t have the balls to discipline anyone…..I put it to you, the SAGMJ that you are an embarrassment unto yourselves!!

  31. Deon van der Merwe says:

    SAGMJ seems to have followed their constitution and disciplinary procedure. Released today:

    SAGMJ Disciplinary outcome
    RunRideDive com / 18 mins ago
    Notice of outcome of a disciplinary hearing instituted against a member of the SAGMJ

    As per section 18.7 of the SA Guild of Motoring Journalists’ Constitution, the Committee hereby provides notice to its membership on the outcome of a disciplinary hearing instituted against a member of the SAGMJ, Mr. Thegandra Naidoo.

    The SAGMJ received a complaint from Mr. Peter Piegl on 14 February 2014, following a comment made by Mr. Thegandra Naidoo on his Facebook page subsequent to the fatal shooting of a motorcyclist on the same date, in which he argues that Mr. Naidoo has brought the Guild into disrepute as his comment is contrary to the Guild’s endorsement of road safety and responsible road usage.
    In accordance with the SAGMJ Constitution, the complaint was presented to the SAGMJ Committee at a meeting held on 19 February 2014 to determine whether there was a valid complaint that warranted a hearing to determine whether the defendant’s actions brought the Guild into disrepute. The Committee decided that there was a case to be answered, and the defendant was informed of said decision and hearing. In light of the extraordinary response to Mr. Naidoo’s comment, the Committee also decided to temporarily suspend Mr. Naidoo’s membership to the SAGMJ pending the outcome of the disciplinary process.
    The disciplinary hearing, attended by Christo Valentyn, Bernard Hellberg Jr, Aurelia Mbokazi, Eugene Herbert and Liana Reiners, took place on 21 February 2014, where Mr. Naidoo made a detailed submission arguing
    that the comment was made under provocation,
    that the comment was unrelated to the unfortunate incident on 14 February,
    that the comment was not aimed at the entire motorcycling community but at Mr. Piegl only, and
    that it was done in his private and personal capacity and not as a motoring journalist because his occupation and membership status was not known at the time of making the comment.
    Mr. Naidoo also reiterated his regret about making the comment and confirmed the apology he had already issued to the public on a number of forums.
    The disciplinary committee convened a second meeting on 26 February 2014 to discuss and debate Mr. Naidoo’s submission and concluded:
    Mr. Naidoo did not make the comment under provocation as it was the first of his comments to appear on Mr. Piegl’s Facebook wall;
    While Mr. Naidoo may have made the comment in anger, the threat of violence against motorcyclists in general is particularly upsetting and completely unacceptable;
    While Mr. Naidoo may not have been identified as a motoring journalist or a member of the SAGMJ at the time of making the comment, it doesn’t change the fact that he was ultimately identified as both. This forced the SAGMJ to be accountable for his actions in public and, by association, has had a negative impact on how the SAGMJ is perceived by fellow members, the SAGMJ’s sponsors and stakeholders, the motoring industry in the greater sense, as well as the general public. It has forced the Guild to publicly distance itself from the comment and to defend its reputation for endorsing responsible road usage and road safety in general;
    Mr. Naidoo’s direct actions and utterances did not meet the high standard of professional conduct or the acceptable standard of general behaviour that is expected of a Guild member (as per clause 17.1 and 17.2 of the SAGMJ constitution), and that his direct action and utterances have subsequently brought the Guild into disrepute. The Committee also found that, as this comment was not made while engaged in the profession of motoring journalism, the freedom of expression that is explicitly acknowledged in clause 17.3 is not applicable.
    The disciplinary committee recommended that the defendant be expelled from the SAGMJ, and notice was served to the defendant on 4 March 2014.
    As per section 18.5 of the Constitution, the defendant was granted 14 days leave to appeal the decision, which would only be heard if the member concerned is able to introduce new and relevant information to the disciplinary process. The defendant chose not to submit an appeal within this period, and the proposed sanction – expulsion from the SAGMJ – came into immediate effect on 19 March 2014.
    The Committee of the SAGMJ now views this entire matter as procedurally closed.

    The SAGMJ is a professional body representing the interests of its members and the advancement of motoring journalism in South Africa. It strives to raise standards across the board and work with the various PR departments and other stakeholders in order to do so.

    The Guild expects all its members to respect its code of conduct and to maintain a level of professionalism that ensures that neither their personal nor that of their publication’s reputation is brought into disrepute. It asks all members to work with the entire Guild membership in order to advance the Guild and its objectives to raise standards and the organisation’s profile with respect to the wider industry and the general public.

    Regards,

    Christo Valentyn
    Chairman: SA Guild of Motoring Journalists

    Bernard Hellberg Jr.
    Vice Chairman: SA Guild of Motoring Journalists

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